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		<title>By: Jas (Shanghai)</title>
		<link>http://www.cemarking.tv/2008/08/25/chinese-export/comment-page-1/#comment-148</link>
		<dc:creator>Jas (Shanghai)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 04:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Youtube is blocked in China so can&#039;t see video.
There is lot talk regards &quot;Fake CE Marking&quot; or better put manufacturer declaring to meet a relevant directive when in fact he has not. 

Regards the regulators it appears the Notified Body is Danish Institute of Fire and Security Technology Notifed Body number 0845. The maker is not displaying certificates on the site. If they should ahve a Module B (Type Examination) Certificate and one for ongoing or manufacture such as Module D. Also as part of the Directive requirement the maker must issue a DoC (Declaration of Conformity) which should accompany each product. Also it is likely they would have annual factory inspection under Module D (thats if they chose this route) as for a copy of last report, they not abiliged to give if though but it just shows there is on going assessment going on.

As a buyer many just accept a DoC or copies of Certificates really not looking further than that they get fingers burt when then realise they not real. Look deeper if they are half decent company they will give you supporting documents if they want you business. Not all Chinese companies are out to mislead they themselves have been mislead in getting incorrect certficiation. Buyer needs to be aware.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Youtube is blocked in China so can&#8217;t see video.<br />
There is lot talk regards &#8220;Fake CE Marking&#8221; or better put manufacturer declaring to meet a relevant directive when in fact he has not. </p>
<p>Regards the regulators it appears the Notified Body is Danish Institute of Fire and Security Technology Notifed Body number 0845. The maker is not displaying certificates on the site. If they should ahve a Module B (Type Examination) Certificate and one for ongoing or manufacture such as Module D. Also as part of the Directive requirement the maker must issue a DoC (Declaration of Conformity) which should accompany each product. Also it is likely they would have annual factory inspection under Module D (thats if they chose this route) as for a copy of last report, they not abiliged to give if though but it just shows there is on going assessment going on.</p>
<p>As a buyer many just accept a DoC or copies of Certificates really not looking further than that they get fingers burt when then realise they not real. Look deeper if they are half decent company they will give you supporting documents if they want you business. Not all Chinese companies are out to mislead they themselves have been mislead in getting incorrect certficiation. Buyer needs to be aware.</p>
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		<title>By: Rambino</title>
		<link>http://www.cemarking.tv/2008/08/25/chinese-export/comment-page-1/#comment-115</link>
		<dc:creator>Rambino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello Everybody, I have some questions about the CE marking:

Can somebody tell me if this CE marking is fake? This company put in his website this: The regulators are CE approved to EN12864 by DGP; Danish Governmental Gas Institute

But when you see the CE mark is similiar to fake &quot;chinese export&quot; mark.

this is the website: 

http://www.igt-lpg.com/profile.html

Check the CE mark on the top of the regulators : 

http://dk105837382.trustpass.alibaba.com/product/105538504-0/LPG_regulator.html

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello Everybody, I have some questions about the CE marking:</p>
<p>Can somebody tell me if this CE marking is fake? This company put in his website this: The regulators are CE approved to EN12864 by DGP; Danish Governmental Gas Institute</p>
<p>But when you see the CE mark is similiar to fake &#8220;chinese export&#8221; mark.</p>
<p>this is the website: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.igt-lpg.com/profile.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.igt-lpg.com/profile.html</a></p>
<p>Check the CE mark on the top of the regulators : </p>
<p><a href="http://dk105837382.trustpass.alibaba.com/product/105538504-0/LPG_regulator.html" rel="nofollow">http://dk105837382.trustpass.alibaba.com/product/105538504-0/LPG_regulator.html</a></p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.cemarking.tv/2008/08/25/chinese-export/comment-page-1/#comment-54</link>
		<dc:creator>Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ever drank This example of a fake CE marking took me by complete surprise. As you remember, we are discussing fake CE markings. And I just posted this example of a fake CE marking. I went out with my wife and daughter to a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ever drank This example of a fake CE marking took me by complete surprise. As you remember, we are discussing fake CE markings. And I just posted this example of a fake CE marking. I went out with my wife and daughter to a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Fake CE markings: The safest beer I ever drank &#124; CEMarking.TV - The CE Marking Blogcast</title>
		<link>http://www.cemarking.tv/2008/08/25/chinese-export/comment-page-1/#comment-52</link>
		<dc:creator>Fake CE markings: The safest beer I ever drank &#124; CEMarking.TV - The CE Marking Blogcast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 06:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] example of a fake CE marking took me by complete surprise. As you remember, we are discussing fake CE markings. And I just posted this example of a fake CE marking. I went out with my wife and daughter to a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] example of a fake CE marking took me by complete surprise. As you remember, we are discussing fake CE markings. And I just posted this example of a fake CE marking. I went out with my wife and daughter to a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Han Zuyderwijk</title>
		<link>http://www.cemarking.tv/2008/08/25/chinese-export/comment-page-1/#comment-51</link>
		<dc:creator>Han Zuyderwijk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 06:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please send me your pictures of false CE marked products. I will publish them here. In the following post I give one example of a false CE marking:

http://www.cemarking.tv/2009/04/18/fake-ce-markings/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please send me your pictures of false CE marked products. I will publish them here. In the following post I give one example of a false CE marking:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cemarking.tv/2009/04/18/fake-ce-markings/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cemarking.tv/2009/04/18/fake-ce-markings/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fake CE Markings &#124; CEMarking.TV - The CE Marking Blogcast</title>
		<link>http://www.cemarking.tv/2008/08/25/chinese-export/comment-page-1/#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>Fake CE Markings &#124; CEMarking.TV - The CE Marking Blogcast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 06:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] We have a nice discussion about fake CE markings in the following post: http://www.cemarking.tv/2008/08/25/chinese-export/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] We have a nice discussion about fake CE markings in the following post: <a href="http://www.cemarking.tv/2008/08/25/chinese-export/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cemarking.tv/2008/08/25/chinese-export/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Han Zuyderwijk</title>
		<link>http://www.cemarking.tv/2008/08/25/chinese-export/comment-page-1/#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>Han Zuyderwijk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 06:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Hans,

Thank you for your contribution in this discussion.

Like I stated before, I agree that it is serious that there are products on the market that do not comply. There are simply too many, as you can see from the notifications published by the European Commission: http://ec.europa.eu/consumers/dyna/rapex/rapex_archives_en.cfm.

The politician says: &quot;...I discovered another marking that symbolizes something completely different. This marking said that the product was produced in China.&quot; If her point is to warn that some manufacturers do use a slightly different CE marking to confuse consumers, then she presented it not very clear. Maybe her point got lost in the interpretation...

But even if that is her point, its not useful to focus on the &quot;Chinese Export&quot; logo. Because there are many products in the market that have a CE marking with the correct dimensions that do not comply. There are also a lot of products that do not have a correct CE marking that do comply with the rules (except for the rules about how to display the CE marking ;) ).
Moreover, intentionally affixing a fake CE marking to confuse consumers is not very smart: any marking that resemble the CE marking and that could cause such a confusion is prohibited. The current rules already provide the authorities with the competence to take measures against such confusing markings. 

But Hans, I realize that you are right I shouldn&#039;t make fun of an attempts to protect against unsafe and non-compliant products. On the contrary, I should support it. And perhaps you and other readers are willing to help? If you see a product that clearly does not comply and that has a CE marking, or if you see a product with a fake marking, take a picture of it and send it to me or post it here. Of course you may also report it that to one of the following authorities: http://ec.europa.eu/consumers/safety/rapex/contact_points.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Hans,</p>
<p>Thank you for your contribution in this discussion.</p>
<p>Like I stated before, I agree that it is serious that there are products on the market that do not comply. There are simply too many, as you can see from the notifications published by the European Commission: <a href="http://ec.europa.eu/consumers/dyna/rapex/rapex_archives_en.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://ec.europa.eu/consumers/dyna/rapex/rapex_archives_en.cfm</a>.</p>
<p>The politician says: &#8220;&#8230;I discovered another marking that symbolizes something completely different. This marking said that the product was produced in China.&#8221; If her point is to warn that some manufacturers do use a slightly different CE marking to confuse consumers, then she presented it not very clear. Maybe her point got lost in the interpretation&#8230;</p>
<p>But even if that is her point, its not useful to focus on the &#8220;Chinese Export&#8221; logo. Because there are many products in the market that have a CE marking with the correct dimensions that do not comply. There are also a lot of products that do not have a correct CE marking that do comply with the rules (except for the rules about how to display the CE marking <img src='http://www.cemarking.tv/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  ).<br />
Moreover, intentionally affixing a fake CE marking to confuse consumers is not very smart: any marking that resemble the CE marking and that could cause such a confusion is prohibited. The current rules already provide the authorities with the competence to take measures against such confusing markings. </p>
<p>But Hans, I realize that you are right I shouldn&#8217;t make fun of an attempts to protect against unsafe and non-compliant products. On the contrary, I should support it. And perhaps you and other readers are willing to help? If you see a product that clearly does not comply and that has a CE marking, or if you see a product with a fake marking, take a picture of it and send it to me or post it here. Of course you may also report it that to one of the following authorities: <a href="http://ec.europa.eu/consumers/safety/rapex/contact_points.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://ec.europa.eu/consumers/safety/rapex/contact_points.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hans</title>
		<link>http://www.cemarking.tv/2008/08/25/chinese-export/comment-page-1/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>Hans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Han: You are missing the point. It is totally unimportant if there is a &quot;official&quot; CE-lookalike or if not. The undisputed fact is, that many many products from China carry those fake CE marks and are also not certified as CE conforming. Some suspect that those fake CE signs are different from the &quot;real&quot; CE sign by purpose so that nobody can claim that they have faked the CE sign (which is, as you know, strictly specified). You are ranting here to no good, because the important message is that people need to watch out for fake CE signs which are a fact. Oh and btw. the czech politican has not claimed that the fake CE sign is a official chinese sign. You should rewatch the video.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Han: You are missing the point. It is totally unimportant if there is a &#8220;official&#8221; CE-lookalike or if not. The undisputed fact is, that many many products from China carry those fake CE marks and are also not certified as CE conforming. Some suspect that those fake CE signs are different from the &#8220;real&#8221; CE sign by purpose so that nobody can claim that they have faked the CE sign (which is, as you know, strictly specified). You are ranting here to no good, because the important message is that people need to watch out for fake CE signs which are a fact. Oh and btw. the czech politican has not claimed that the fake CE sign is a official chinese sign. You should rewatch the video.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.cemarking.tv/2008/08/25/chinese-export/comment-page-1/#comment-39</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for the misunderstanding. Yeah it sounds quite possible that their is no official Chinese Export mark made to look like the official CE marking. And if their is an unofficial one it demands quite a lot of research to prove it. 

That said it&#039;s quite safe to say that China is one of the large producers in this world and also one of the large producers of pirated products (i&#039;m just guessing here) so they should most likely also be one of the worlds largest users of pirated CE marking (more guesses). Which, in a humorous way, should earn the false CE marking the name &quot;Chinese Export&quot;. Just to confuse everyone ;) But maybe that was the joke?

So there are actually legit manufacturers of CE products who misprint the CE marking? If they can&#039;t even get the logo right it sounds like they probably haven&#039;t got anything right :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the misunderstanding. Yeah it sounds quite possible that their is no official Chinese Export mark made to look like the official CE marking. And if their is an unofficial one it demands quite a lot of research to prove it. </p>
<p>That said it&#8217;s quite safe to say that China is one of the large producers in this world and also one of the large producers of pirated products (i&#8217;m just guessing here) so they should most likely also be one of the worlds largest users of pirated CE marking (more guesses). Which, in a humorous way, should earn the false CE marking the name &#8220;Chinese Export&#8221;. Just to confuse everyone <img src='http://www.cemarking.tv/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  But maybe that was the joke?</p>
<p>So there are actually legit manufacturers of CE products who misprint the CE marking? If they can&#8217;t even get the logo right it sounds like they probably haven&#8217;t got anything right <img src='http://www.cemarking.tv/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Han Zuyderwijk</title>
		<link>http://www.cemarking.tv/2008/08/25/chinese-export/comment-page-1/#comment-38</link>
		<dc:creator>Han Zuyderwijk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sebastian,

I am not saying there are no false CE markings. I know there are many products that are false CE marked. Even products that have a CE marking with the right dimensions.

I am familiar with this document. It shows how the CE marking should be designed. If the letters C and E are too close to eachother, it means that they are not in accordance with the rules, that much is true.

However, I restate what I have said before: there is no official Chinese Export marking. And when a product has a C and an E which are to close to eachother, that is no proof of the fact that a Chinese Export marking exists! It only proves that the manufacturer did not read the requirements carefully enough. And it is an indication that the product itself may also not be in conformity with the CE requirements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sebastian,</p>
<p>I am not saying there are no false CE markings. I know there are many products that are false CE marked. Even products that have a CE marking with the right dimensions.</p>
<p>I am familiar with this document. It shows how the CE marking should be designed. If the letters C and E are too close to eachother, it means that they are not in accordance with the rules, that much is true.</p>
<p>However, I restate what I have said before: there is no official Chinese Export marking. And when a product has a C and an E which are to close to eachother, that is no proof of the fact that a Chinese Export marking exists! It only proves that the manufacturer did not read the requirements carefully enough. And it is an indication that the product itself may also not be in conformity with the CE requirements.</p>
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